Online Ordination............

There has been many stories in the news lately about celebrities obtaining Ordination online so that they could perform a wedding.  Some people think it’s fine, some people think it is wrong. Others go so far as to question the validity of Ordinations performed by online churches (other than theirs of course).

We have offered Ordination since our inception, but have just recently began publicizing it, and allowing people to begin the process online.  We waited until The Lord said go to start doing this, and it is still a growing, living thing (just as your Faith should be). Had we done otherwise, I do not believe we would have gotten very far.

Since we began offering people the chance to begin the Ordination process online, we have received a lot of e-mails with questions about it (and a few damning us to hell, making threats, etc  ). In this blog, I will do my best to answer the most frequent questions regarding the Ordination process.  Please do note that we are MINISTERS, not LAWYERS. We can not nor will we give you legal advice in regards to your specific situation . We will provide general guidelines, and facts as we have uncovered them and as they have been presented to us,  but we STRONGLY urge you to contact the proper authorities in your area and/or a competent Attorney of your choosing should you have questions about your Ordination and/or the validity of performing Weddings in your area.

1) The Legalities of Online Ordination

In 1974, The United States District Court for the Eastern District validated “mail-order” Ordinations in a case brought by The Universal Life Church against the United States (Universal Life Church, Inc. V United States of America, Case Number Civ. No. 1954)
In part, the final ruling in this case stated:

“Certainly the ordination of ministers and the chartering of churches are accepted activities of religious organizations… The fact that the plaintiff distributed ministers’ credentials and Honorary Doctor of Divinity certificates is of no moment. Such activity may be analogized to mass conversions at a typical revival or religious crusade.”

Further, the court went on to say (and this is perhaps the most applicable portion of this case:

“Neither this Court, nor any branch of this Government, will consider the merits or fallacies of a religion. Nor will the Court compare the beliefs, dogmas, and practices of a newly organized religion with those of an older, more established religion. Nor will the Court praise or condemn a religion, however excellent or fanatical or preposterous it may seem. WERE THE COURT TO DO SO, IT WOULD IMPINGE UPON THE GUARANTEES OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT.”

So the process of Ordaining those who ask is firmly established in case law by this case. And although the Universal Life Church is not (nor have they ever claimed to be) a Christian Church, The Lord did use them to establish the practice of Ordaining people in this manner, and all Churches that offer Ordination online or through the mail owe them a debt of gratitude.

2) Why Online Ordination?

By far the most common reason a person seeks Ordination outside of going to a Seminary or Bible College is to perform a Wedding. There are other reasons as well, and these reasons are as unique as the individuals who seek Ordination.

If you want a friend or family member to officiate your Wedding, chances are that person is not going to want to spend the time and money to go to Bible College and jump through all the other hoops in order to be able to do it for you. There has been a trend over the past years away from traditional Church Weddings and towards more intimate and personal ceremonies. Mostly gone are the days when a bride promised to obey while repeating vows that were 100 years old (or more). As with most things, the institutional Church has been slow to embrace this trend and as a result Online Ordination and the Ministers that it creates have stepped up to fill that need.

Wedding laws vary, but in most States/Counties you do not need much. You do have to register in some States/Counties, and some require a Letter Of Good Standing. In parts of Nevada & New York, these letters must be Notarized.  We provide all this along with membership in our Church.

Some Ministers also want to start a Church/Ministry or other Religious Organization. Along with being a Wedding Officiant, your Ordination will also allow you to do these things, again without spending years in a Seminary or Bible College.

Dont get me wrong, I am all for education and training. I myself have an earned Theology Degree (D. Th.). But the fact is that many people finally answer The Lords call later in their lives, and spending 4-8 years in a Seminary or Bible College is not practical. There are also the denominational guidelines to think about. Some denominations do not allow women to be Ordained or be a Pastor, others have such strict guidelines about who they will Ordain,  that Jesus himself would not have qualified for their Seminary program. Again, this is where we (and other Churches that Ordain online) come in and fill a need. 

3) Who should I be Ordained by? There are so many websites now that will Ordain people…

You are correct. There are a lot of websites that offer Ordination. Everything from The Church Of The Flying Spaghetti Monster to Conservative Christian Fellowships. We suggest that you take some time, look through the website and find out which one is the right fit for you. If you have read this far into this blog, I am going to assume you are pretty serious about Ordination, so I will not discuss the satire “Churches”.  The others (including ours) can be broken down into 3 categories.

1) Ordination/Marriage Ministries-  These are Ministries that exist primarily for the function of Ordaining you to perform a wedding.  They are sometimes referred by their critics as “Ordination Mills”.  These Ministries generally do not hold any services,  or (most times)  have a physical address. They are there to Ordain you and that is about it.

If you are getting Ordained to perform a wedding for friends or family, and you have no intention of going any further in the Ministry than that, this may be the type of Ordination for you.

2) Interfaith Churches- These Churches accept all Faiths. They may or may not hold services (most times they dont). They will generally ordain you into whatever faith you choose to follow. These Organizations even “Ordain” atheists .

If you want to follow a certain Faith, but do not want to jump through the hoops of said Faith to obtain Ordination, this is probably your place.

3) Non-Denominational Christian Churches- These Churches (this is where our church fits in) Ordain people within the Christian Faith. They may or may not hold services at a physical location (most do in one form or another), but they generally have a creed and a statement of beliefs. Most of these meet some or all of the “14 points” as established by the IRS* to meet the “essence of legal authority”. Also, most of these Churches provide training of some sort to those seeking Ordination, and may require some work on your part (such as an essay or thesis) in order to become Ordained.

If your purpose in seeking Ordination is to start a Christian Ministry, this is the type you want to go with.  

Those are the basics of Online Ordination. If you would like to know more, please visit us at the link below.

God Bless!!

Pastor Brian

”Online Christian Ordination- become a Wedding Officiant and so much more”

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On The Attack?...........

Today while looking through YouTube for Praise & Worship videos, I stumbled across a ministry that posts their sermons on this medium. Being curious, I watched some of the videos. The ministers (a husband & wife team) were very "in your face", with an obvious fundamentalist slant. OK, not my particular style of preaching, but nothing wrong with it, and I gathered from the videos, that they hold their church services at truck stops and are primarily called to minister to truckers. Maybe that requires an "in your face" style, I dont know, but if it does, God bless them for taking on what I can only assume would be a tough branch of ministry.

I am very sure most people know how YouTube works, but for those who dont, let me explain. There is generally a comment section at the bottom of the video. Anytime you have an open internet forum like this, and you let people post comments, you are going to get negative ones. Even something as universal & accepted as Amazing Grace has some nasty comments on it. Thats just how it works when you have an open internet forum with very little or no moderation.

So as I read through some of the comments, and some video responses to these ministers, I was not surprised to find comments & other videos attacking them & their ministry. What I was a little surprised (and saddened) by, was the ministers response to the comments and videos. The response to the negative comments was to respond negatively with a comment or video of their own. Even when the comment came from another Christian trying to point something out to them. They just did not want to hear it, and would go on the attack even stating that some of the comments from other Christians were "inspired by the devil", and saying that the other Christian was not saved because they did not believe as these people did.

 I watched and read comments & responses for over an hour, before I wrote the ministers a comment of my own. It is the one & only comment that I will ever write and most likely the last time I would ever watch their videos. My comment was just trying to remind them that when they are attacked for their beliefs, they should not respond in a negative manner, and that they should not condemn another Christian just because they belong to a certain church or denomination. They should ignore the nasty stuff (or hit the delete button), and go about the work God has called them to do. I do not know nor do I care if the comment will be posted or not, but I do hope and pray that it will be read and make them think. Because the back & forth negative stuff, was taking away from the message they were trying to put out.

When we attack other Christians, because they may belong to a different church or denomination, we are doing nothing but sowing discord among ourselves. In fact, I will be so bold as to say that when we do this, we are doing the devil’s work for him. Why should he lift a finger and attack Christians when other Christians are doing it for him. We are the body of Christ, but if the body is fighting among itself, how can we then expect to reach those who have not yet heard the message of Jesus? Those who do not believe would look at this fighting and think how can I believe anything they say, when they cant even agree on anything themselves.

Luke 6:28-30 (NLT)
 28 Bless those who curse you. Pray for those who hurt you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, offer the other cheek also. If someone demands your coat, offer your shirt also. 30 Give to anyone who asks; and when things are taken away from you, don’t try to get them back.

I think this passage would apply to the situation I saw today. And it is my prayer that God will remind them that they are ministers who have been called to do a work, and that taking time & energy to make these video responses to negative attacks could (and should) be better spent doing that work. I also hope and pray that I can follow my own advice and do the same.

As Christians we know that we will get ridiculed for our beliefs, sometimes by other Christians (as well meaning as they may be). When this happens, we must take the path of humility, the path that Jesus laid out for us in the passage above. We must turn the other cheek, by ignoring & praying for the attacker & going about our work. There is so much that needs to be done, and so many people in the world who need help and to hear the message, that we should not even have time to think about a negative response.

Humility And Hard Work

Sometimes its good to look back. I was browsing through my blog folders and found this post from a year ago. It is a relevant now as it was then….

As a person who has a few initials that I can put after my name, it is tempting to think that I am “too good” to do certain things. I found myself in this situation over the last couple of weeks.

As a Real Estate Broker, a Pastor, Secretary Of The Board Of Directors for a statewide fishing organization, moderator of 2 websites, I spend a lot of time at a desk. People look to me for guidance in their lives in more ways than one. So, when I found myself moving a bunch of greasy old engine parts, boxes of old papers, and doing general physical labor, I more than once found myself thinking what am I doing here…..

Each time though that these thoughts would come, I had to remember that Jesus himself did physical labor. We know he was a carpenter, and that is hard work. My father was a carpenter my entire life, and I saw first hand how hard he worked, coming home dead tired, wanting nothing more than to sleep. And this was with the aid of modern power tools. How much harder was the work for our Lord then when it was all done by hand. As I looked around at the people I had hired to help do this large job, I also had to think about them. They worked hard without complaint, happy to be able to make some money so that they could pay their bills. How then could I complain about a little hard work when I have a large home that I own, a couple nice cars, a motor home & other things that the lord has blessed me with. It humbled me even further to think that the price of just one of my fishing rod & reels was more than these men would make for this entire 2 weeks…..

I mentally rebuked myself, asked God to forgive me for thinking that I was better than Him, and joined in the work with a new uplift in my spirit and a new sense of humility that I did not have before.

I think that God sent me this job to do just to remind me that I am no better than anyone else, no matter how many titles I can put behind my name.

Lesson learned Lord….. Lesson learned.